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Jan 12, 2011

Forget Climate Taxes – Climate always Changes, and Man must Adapt.

By Viv Forbes; Chairman,

The Carbon Sense Coalition today accused Western Governments of massive waste of community savings on frivolous climate "research" and alternative energy toys while neglecting the infrastructure needed to maintain sustainable societies in the face of an unknown climate future.

The Chairman of Carbon Sense, Mr Viv Forbes, said that none of the massive government climate spending has produced anything of long term use to the people paying their bills.

"The US government spends over two thousand million dollars per year on "climate research" but the recipients were completely unable to forecast the frigid winter they are now suffering. That money would be better spent on snow ploughs and highway improvements.

"Australian governments are spending at least eight hundred million dollars per year on "climate research", but were unable to forecast the massive floods now affecting much of Australia. That money would have been better spent on water storage and flood-proofing roads, bridges and airports.

"The UK Government plans to spend one thousand million pounds on carbon capture and burial schemes and untold billions on wind power subsidies, but wind provided almost zero power when needed in the recent freeze. In places, the wind towers actually consumed electricity to protect them from frost damage. UK residents would have been better off had all of that money been spent on reliable power sources and snow-proof infrastructure.

"It is time for all western politicians to recognise climate reality. Changing climate and weather extremes are enduring features of earth's history. This reality exists even if not one elected member recognises it.

"Change is what climate does – floods or droughts, stinking hot or snow storms, stilly nights or violent hurricanes.

"The cycles of ice age extinctions and verdant warm eras are well recorded in earth history. Only 17,000 years ago, much of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice and sea levels were 130m lower. Then followed a long warm period with several peaks hotter than today. This time of warm abundance was terminated by a sudden return of the cold.

"But good times returned with the Roman Warming. It was not Roman use of coal which caused the warming and no carbon tax triggered the lethal Dark Ages cooling which followed.

"Then, with no help from man's carbon dioxide, earth recovered into the Medieval Warming Period but soon slipped back into the bitter Little Ice Age that helped defeat Napoleon's Grand Army in Russia.

"Finally, well before man's engines and smelters became numerous, the Modern Warming started.

"Unfortunately, this warming too will end when the earth, moon, sun and stars command. Taxing carbon to subsidise green playthings will not stop the floods, prevent the snow or change future climate.

"Man must do what every one of our ancestors did – adapt to climate change or suffer the consequences."

For those interested in recent climate cycles: and Here:

If you want to get angry on how they are wasting your savings:

And to gauge how difficult it is to get governments to come clean on just how much they do spend:

Here's a hint of UK expenditure on wind generators:

Magnifying National Disasters.

Queensland is suffering terrible floods, and many people have lost lives, property, homes, animals and crops. We have enormous sympathy for those who have suffered so badly.

Unfortunately, there is nothing so bad that government action cannot make it worse.

The Queensland floods have attracted a flood of politicians, and not one brought a bucket or a shovel. All are preparing master plans for how, when, where and why flooded people can rebuild their homes and businesses. And lots of officials are jostling to get dictatorial powers over ordinary mortals and their properties. People not allowed to re-enter their homes "until we have deemed it safe". Repairs, of course, must get approvals from people who have probably never built anything. And of course, this terrible flooding is "an example of the extreme climate we will get unless we introduce a carbon tax."

The most useful thing they can do is get their road, rail, air, water and power infrastructure working quickly and suspend all the red tape rigmarole preventing people from cleaning, repairing and rebuilding as quickly as possible. They would be amazed at what free people would achieve.

Here is an article written 20 years ago which is still relevant today:

Was 2010 the Warmest year Ever?

The warm peaks of the last 100 years were 1934, 1998 and maybe 2010.

But where do they rank in a longer term list of warm years?

Of the past 10,500 years, 9,100 were warmer than 1934/1998/2010. Thus, regardless of which year (1934, 1998, or 2010) turns out to be the warmest of the past century, that year will rank number 9,099 in a longer-term list.

The climate has been warming slowly since the Little Ice Age, but it has quite a ways to go yet before reaching the temperature levels that persisted for nearly all of the past 10,500 years.

It’s really much to-do about nothing.
For a good summary of temperature trends:

And for responses to a recent alarmist article in "The Australian" see:
 "Lies, Damn Lies and Global Warming Statistics"

The Carbon Tax Committee reveals its plans for their
Tax on Hot Air.

While we were all busy preparing for Christmas the Gillard/Greens coalition announced the 11 principles that will guide their planned carbon tax. We have just 6 months to kill this idea. We must restore certainty to the energy and electricity industries by deciding the new tax on carbon will be ZERO.

For an assessment on the Hot Air Tax by Professor Bob Carter:

Enquiry on Wind Farms

The Australian Senate has called a public inquiry on wind farms. The deadline is Feb 10th. 

Wind Power has very little to recommend it. If private investors wish to risk their savings on these speculative ventures, they should not get handouts from governments or electricity consumers, and should have no power to force landowners or power retailers to accept them.

Wind power is not new or innovative – the world has given us plenty of disastrous examples in Spain, UK, California, Denmark and here in Australia. They are intrusive, unreliable, costly and ugly additions to our environment and our economy. They waste capital and provide little savings of carbon dioxide emissions (even if that were a desirable aim.)

Here is just one comment on the performance of UK wind power recently:

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Stop Press: Thanks to all the people who have asked how we are faring in the great floods of 2011. We live on high ground so are safe from flood waters. The rain has filled all dams (and burst one), replenished underground water and soaked the soils. But on the flood plains in the valley, people have been washed away and drowned and tremendous damage has been done to towns, houses and properties and roads are badly eroded. Farm animals and wildlife are suffering from hunger and exposure. Weak ones will die unless we see some sun soon. Viv & Judy Forbes


  1. Glad to hear you're okay up there. I was just popping in to ask and to say that I hope you're somewhere high enough to be out of the floods. Stay safe, mate.

  2. Let's see. We can't control rivers, we can't prevent snow storms, we can't accurately predict the weather, and we can't cure the common cold, but we can change the climate of the entire planet. Pretty amazing.

    We still have our share of floods, occasional dam breaks, and levy failures but they happen to WASP's in "Fly-Over" country, celebrities are not involved, and we don't blame Bush, so they don't get very much mainstream media coverage.

    All our best and prayers for safety to the real people in the path of the flood waters.

  3. Thanks fellas, I am pretty safe here.

    My heart goes out to the people in the Lockyer Valley who got hit by a wall of water caused by a cloudburst on the range above them at Toowoomba. It will take a while to find out just how bad it is, but it will be a shocker, barring miricles.

    The odd thing is that we had a better idea of predicting levels 30 - 40 years ago when it was done locally based on upstream heights and current rainfall. We always had an accurate idea of the next 24 hours.

    The Weather Bureau seem to be hedging their bets all the way along the line. They are just accepting that this will not be as bad as the 74 floods in Brisbane, after continuously telling us it will be worse. I have just had to spend time reassuring my daughter in Brisbane after she saw press reports of a tidal wave aimed at the heart of the city.

    The press love to wax lyrical and see who gets the best soundbite out of it but to use a good Aussie expression to describe this sort of bullshit, "They need rooting up the arse with the rough end of a pineapple."